panzerkunst666
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Tue, Oct 13, 2009 13:32:11
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i know it's been brought up before and this may be beating a dead horse, but inexplicable 1's are just annoying. not that it's a 1, but because there's no why behind it. if it's not something a voter is into, don't look at it. i don't like long pointy-toed heels - i don't go around finding pics of them and giving them all 1's. a name with a vote would give you the opportunity to thank folks for their vote. and possibly further discourage douche-baggery.
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riftzone
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Tue, Oct 13, 2009 18:23:34
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yes thats a good idea but one we have chatted about before, it was decided it would lead to more troubles than it would save if i remember rightly. Seems the only way is to name an ban those who consistently low vote on a regular basis.
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Tue, Oct 13, 2009 21:55:13
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But then, as you say some people may be silly enough to vote all pics 1's just because they dont like that type of shoe - but then, there is a flip side to everything isnt there. If you had a picture of something like a flip flop, you would probably get every flip flop fanatic voting that picture a 10 whether the picture as a whole is worth a 10 or not - just because it is of the type of shoe what they love
So there are plus' and minus' to everything - the voting system (for some) being no exception
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panzerkunst666
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Wed, Oct 14, 2009 04:19:23
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that may have set me off was what type of picture. i can understand someone give a picture of nothing but a shoe sitting there doing nothing a 1. it's a shoe. but giving a 1 to a picture of a person is, well...'personal'. it's insulting. thanks for your words WaS and RZ, maybe i was just looking to vent. :P
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stuthestud
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Wed, Oct 14, 2009 07:16:16
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Ok, I was being funny. This has been going on all my 3 yrs helping here. Yes I just passed my three year hotshoeshots.com anniversary!!! Wow thats lot of shoe watching and loving going on..Ha. But voting yes read the many other threads on this issue. I understand and agree its not perfect and never will be since people are unpredictable and sometimes just stupid, mean or lazy. Who knows it just is what it is on this free adult fetish site. You can choose to shut off voting on your preferences options. Back to shoe mania love... STU
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winnipegguy
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Thu, Oct 15, 2009 15:41:37
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Voting, Hardest problem ,Agreed with STU, you can always turn it off , its a free site, People are like the Weather, You cant Control there Actions,
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Imroter
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Can't imagine a sane person would vote a one on a pic of you! But i agree with you, voting a 1 usually is kind of rude. I personally never vote lower than a 6 unless somethings really gross.
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love_me
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Thu, Oct 15, 2009 18:35:21
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WAS, if I understand your argument, then you are saying that we have flip flop lovers and flip flop haters and that their respective biassed votes sort of cancel each other out?
This may be true, BUT ...
I am interested in several catagories, such as heels, flats/sneakers and men in heels.
What I observe is that users that high-heel profiles have consistently higher votes than a flats profile, which again is still higher than a good sneakers profile.
I.e., a photographically good heels profile is usually around 7-8, whereas a good sneakers profile is around 5-6.
This probably comes from the fact that there are more high heel lovers than there are sneakers lovers, and this is sort of injust. People should just not vote on the categories they don't like. However, one would need artifical intelligence in order to fix this. Might be too much for a web site.
By the way, another glitch in the voting system is that you can self vote. Just go to "view my profile" and polish your results. This should not be possible, and this is easy to fix.
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Thu, Oct 15, 2009 19:04:20
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Its the same regardless if you have a fetish for something or not I personally have none for trainners I like heels higher the better but I also think that a 1 vote unless the picture is crap ie fuzzy is not on. composition background and what ever else should be taken into account. Whom ever has taken the time and trouble to take the shot in the first place should at least be voted for fairly for the effort they have put in not just you don't like what they do.
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Thu, Oct 15, 2009 23:02:21
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well the only person who can find out who is doing this is SJ, I have been the target of the one voter consistently for the past few weeks... and if its a random thing im not bothered but if its one person then they should be named and shamed at least and their voting rights taken away...if you dont like my pix fair enough ... i find it interesting that what i consider to be the better pictures are marked with the lowest votes... ive noticed lately as soon as i post new pictures i get most of them voted one, so just incase its a pattern and not random, ive informed SJ, and just incase it is one person... now u know....didnt no u could vote for yourself, i thought that was impossible... anyway how sad would u be if you did that??
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panzerkunst666
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Fri, Oct 16, 2009 03:36:35
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i actually try to concentrate on composition more than anything (being an artist myself). sure, i like porn as much as the next person, but when i'm the one TAKING the shots instead of looking at them, i try to go for something with an at the very least interesting composition. granted, my camera skills and hardware aren't stellar, but i definitely make the effort to take nice looking shots. and i know i'm semi-successful.
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Fri, Oct 16, 2009 21:08:45
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only members can vote and every vote is recorded, this means SJ can run off a report at any time and see who the culprits are... in the past this has led to naming and shaming and also votes wiped from profiles... SJ has assured me that he is looking into this situation
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sluttyheels
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Sat, Oct 17, 2009 18:33:31
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SJ has given me two names, newish members who are voting ones on every picture they see... sounds like they are using the one button as a next function, this would explain a lot.. i dont really know why he has given me the names but it begs the question what to do with this information?? maybe he wants to see how great the feeling is i dont know, so what does everyone think? do they get off with a warning? do they apologise? what happens to all of their one votes already cast? can they be removed from peoples overall scores? should their own rated pictures be reduced to zero.. thereby reducing their profile scores and maybe removing them from leader boards??? whats that saying??? o yes... only u the voters can decide....
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Sat, Oct 17, 2009 18:57:13
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What the outcome is. It will never stop. It seems to be nature for some
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love_me
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Sat, Oct 17, 2009 20:09:25
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A technical solution for this problem could be that the first 10 or so votes of each new members are not credited to the voted pictures, but held back (recorded in a separate database). After 10 (or so) votes have been received, an average is created. If the average is above, say, 3, the votes are credited and all further votes will directly be credited as usual. If the average is below, the user is blocked from voting until further notice. What do you think?
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johnnyjake
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I'm still saying....Thumbs up and thumbs down vote. Hard cock, limp dick. whatever. "tap-tap-tap...is this thing on?"
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sluttyheels
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Sun, Oct 18, 2009 10:19:49
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im not talking about the way we vote i am talking about the one voters being punished... and what form that punishment will take. because i for one want retribution, i want my original scores back before the one votes appeared and i want their scores wiped
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love_me
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Sun, Oct 18, 2009 15:08:35 |
Let me add that it is the *consistent*/*permanent* one voters, who vote every pic they see a one, that we are talking about. I take it that we have confirmation from SJ that such users exist.
If their dick is limb on every single pic of this site, well, then it is probably not the pics' fault. Such users should not be allowed to vote, they should either get viagra or just realise that they don't have a shoe fetish.
My technical suggestion was meant as a way of prefiltering for such users. Of course there will be cases where the average vote of the first ten votes is below 3 and where this average was justified. Such users could then still be manually allowed. Or the threshold could be lowered, e.g. if the average is 1.0, then the user is banned, all others allowed.
I am not against one votes, even in cases where I personally felt the pic that is voted one was good. Votes are subjective, right. I can accept a one on a (subjectively) good men in heels pic from a men in heels lover who thinks that I should try harder (shave, paint my toes, get shoes of my original size, whatever). OK. Point taken. Yes, users should be allowed to vote one when they dislike a pic for whatever reason, as long as the pic is in a category which they generally like.
However, users who permanently vote one are either simply mean or they don't know that you can also click on the category on the left to advance without voting. Such users should not be allowed to vote.
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johnnyjake
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Also, I think voting should be for Premium members. Not some dude (or dudet) who came off the street with his sunrise pic and started shooting off 1s.
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voting is just for members, thats wot makes it so bloody annoying... it could be someone u have voted a ten on
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johnnyjake
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Sun, Oct 18, 2009 19:00:05 |
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Premium members.
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gonefornow
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Fri, Oct 30, 2009 16:40:59
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Well..I have run into this problem before on another site..I no longer post there because the admin just lost interest in it..it's easy enough to figure out who is doing it..copy who is online and compare it to the corresponding low vote..but that doesn't solve the overall problem..this person is voting 2's to escape the scrutinizing of the 1 vote...
If only 5 and up were allowed then one down vote doesn't hurt so bad and can be recovered from..any pic that really is gross can be pulled by admin..simple as that...
I post nude pics and I know that is not everyone's cup of tea..but expressing anger about it thru a low vote is not the way to do it..
And trying to make your ratings higher by voting me down..that's just sick...I see so many profiles on here with low ratings..it just mystifies me..this has evidently been going on for quite a while and discourages new members...personally..it's just annoying to me..it's like a virtual slap in the face simply because you are either angry about nudity or you are jealous...either way it is only possible because you are anonymous and how sick is that?..
I do not vote unless I vote 10 because I appreciate that pic or that colection of pics...
Thanks for letting me bitch a little..lol..I hope the offender reads this...you know who you are and so do I..TW
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Fri, Oct 30, 2009 18:09:58
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You are welcome to have a moan as it is something which angers us all however as we have mentioned before - it will never end.
Sorry to hear its happening to you too, but alas there are many dark sides to human nature and we will never eliminate that unless you eliminate voting. Alas, members do not want that so its part of the course I am afraid.
You will have read the many other topics like "punishment" etc relating to this so you can see that "we" and shoejack are trying to come up with whatever we can to help ease the situ.
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WAS
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I don't know. The whole topic seems kinda trivial to me. Like why care if you have a high score or not? Is that why we are really on this site? To see what others think of our pictures? I mean I know that some of us work hard and put a lot of thought into those pics. I'm not trying to down play that or anyone's feelings but to see it become this big of a issue... It almost makes me want to see the whole voting system and leader boards just get taken off the site.
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at the moment it is out of hand, and will continue to be because there is no deterrent.
i would say to anyone, if you are being voted low tell SJ, you dont have to use the forums, send a private message.
it may seem trivial to some, but to others its more than annoying, especially when u know who is doing it.
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gonefornow
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 04:31:46
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well the only reasons I object to getting slam voted are these:
1)usually someone sees low voting on your pics they think "gee there must be something about this person I don't know about..something bad cuz they are getting voted down"..
2)it is a slap in the face to me albeit anonymous because they don't have the nerve to tell me straight out..or they are just wanting to make themselves look better if their ratings are higher..
3)how else does anybody see your pics if they are just buried....
malicious low voting takes the fun out of the whole thing...
4)and this is more of a question..why would I ever enter a competition here if I have people slam voting me?..it's pointless and I will not enter any of them...
LAST BUT NOT LEAST..that is in caps because everyone seems to have skimmed over it..You can end most slam voting if you simply remove the votes lower than 5...it is really that easy...try it and see..mathematically it would end someone being able to seriously injure someone else's rating...
I apologize if this is an old subject but I am new to this site and I promise you if you want this site to grow you either have to fix it or end the voting system and have a carousel collection so everyone gets a chance to be seen..and that is all anyone wants here..tobe seen..otherwise they wouldn't be posting pics..it would be a wordprss forum..
just my two cents...
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 11:55:25
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That is still no solution
People will just vote you 5 which is still the lowest vote possible so that fact remains that people are still in effect "voting 1's" - the lowest possible. The only thing that will do is not alter your score as much - but the fact remains it is a pointless exercise to have a voting system which is only "good". If people want a voting system they need to have a full scale, or none at all. Having a voting system which only offers "good" seems rather biased and pointless, and as I say - people will still just vote you the lowest they can if they do not like you.
If you dislike this then you can turn voting off as I had to do for the reasons stated, But alas this is no solution to some people hence like I say we are trying to think of something - but I fear a scale of only 5-10 kind of defeats the object somewhat as 5 is still in effect the bad end of the small spectrum and 10 being good.
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WAS
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gonefornow
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 14:05:17
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what a shock...try mathematics..if you remove 4 thru 1..then the lowest vote is 5 right? and the highest vote is 10? Ok..someone votes a 5///mathematically to reach 9 again is reduced by 50%
The harm done is reduced 50%...and their vote becomes more of an opinion than a torpedo...
It is the only solution in a voting system
do the math...
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 15:39:43
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I'm an analyst for a living so I know the sums. That's why I said all it will do is prevent your score from dropping as quick. You miss the point that if people are voting as low as they can for whatever reason, they will just vote you 5 If they can't vote you one so in principal and Hunan nature they are still voting you as low as possible. So it solves nothing apart your scores lowering. Thus proving that if people only want to be voted good then you don't want a voting system. You just want a "good" button or something as a scale of 5-10 is jyst pointless
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gonefornow
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 18:24:22
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WAS..why are you so resistant to change?..
There is a tremendous difference between 1 and 5 and the recovery rate..one person can undo the favorable ratings of 3 for example 3 votes of 10 and one 1 =7.75
where as 3 votes of 10 and one 5 = 8.75 and as the votes accumulate a 10 does much less for you but a 1 does much more...being an analyst means you must understand this..
I could go much deeper but a professor I know in statistics and math totally agrees with me..would you like me to have him contact you and explain it..and please don't underestimate my intelligence..
sorry if I come across being snippy but I have explained this in depth...it works and would make your new people feel more welcome..
I would really like to understand why you think a rating system should ever include a 1?..or even less than 5?..please expound on it being pointless so to speak..
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 18:53:27
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You ask me to not underestimate your intelligence yet you ask if I want some professor friend to contact me? What do you think you are doing there? However I shall try to remain impersonal.
The maths of it and your "professor" friend is of no relevance. Although the figures and maths may well be correct that is not the point here - the point is you tell me ONE genuine voting system you have ever seen in life which starts at 5-10?
It is not a voting range if something starts half way up - it is simple a means to lead people to vote higher than they may want in which case you are removing the element of choice. That is why a voting system needs a 1. I am not speaking of just here, I am speaking of anything. You have filled out forms in your life on customer service? Have you ever seen any which say "How do you vote out service, vote 5 for good, and 10 for excellent?". I have never seen one - they always state 1 for poor leading to 10 for excellent - as that is the point of a voting scale, hence why you need a 1.
I am not resistant to chance, otherwise I would not be trying to come up with somthing suitable
However - how many voting scales have you ever seen which start 5-10?
If you only want a range of 5 - then it will be 1 - 5. Not 5 - 10 `o people will still be voting you 1.
If you are one of the crowd who only want good votes then you should opt for a simple 50/50 option of good or bad, but it seems you would only want one button saying good as you only seem to want good reports? If that is the case then a 5-10 scale seems daft aswell as 5 is poor in comparison to 10.
The whole point about voting is about preference so there should be means to vote bad if you see fit and have a genuine and valid reason for doing so. That is the important point. If you give people the option to vote good you should also give them the option to vote bad - otherwise you are removing the element of choice and simply replacing it with dictation to vote only good. So where is the choice in that? Giving people the option of only voting good to excellent is an alien concept to me and something I have never ever seen, even in my years as a market research analyst.
I know there are some renegades who vote 1 becasue they do not like a member, but this is something that cant be eliminated if a voting system remains in place with a scale of 1-10, or 1-5. As I have said many times, people will always vote the lowest they can if they do not like you or your pic for whatever reason, be it the image or personal against the member. So if a scale starts, at 1, 5 or 100, whatever the lowest number then people will vote it. The only thing starting a scale at 5 will do is keep your scores high which seems is all you want?
Which brings me back to my point - if you only want good votes then you need a 50/50 system of like or dislike or just one button for 'good' and one for skip. So long as a range is in place people will vote as they see fit and if that includes a 1 because they find an image tastless or not to their liking, should a person not have as much reason to express their dislike as much as those have the reason to express their pleasure by voting 10? It seems biased to only offer the one side of a scale.
I understand your concerns and frustrations - I do.
I also agree with you that a scale of 5-10 would prevent scores from lowering as much as they do (as would everyone as you do not need to be an analyst or professor to know this).
However, whether you agree with me or not I hope this clarifies why I think that as long as a voting 'scale' remains in place. I am not PRO voting scale, or against the voting scale. It has it plus' and minus' like everything. However so long as a voting scale remains in place, it needs the same rules as ever other voting scale used in life which is usually poor to excellent. I am yet to see any voting scales (which are not solely about self promotion) which only ask you express your range of pleasure, without also giving you the option to express displeasure.
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 20:08:20
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its a good method, 1 u hate it, 10 you love it... i agree to get a believable and deserved 10 for a picture you need to balance it with the dreaded one vote... this is fair... it helps you look at your pictures again and see what may be wrong with them...what is unfair is the way the voting buttons are used like for a skip button... as has been said before, if you are going to choose a button why make it the 1, none of this would have blown up if the perpatrators had used the one brain cell they posess and used say the 5 or 4.. which makes the result all the more malicious, they knew what they were doing and continued doing it, not only pushing other members average scores down, but building up their own.. its blatant and its obvious and nothing is being done about it and these are newish members.. so theyve come in wreaked havoc sat back and watched... i would like to know what the result was when SJ ran the second report, did these members infact change their votes to a 2 to escape the radar?
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 20:30:49
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Good point. I will ask SJ to post
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gonefornow
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first off..the number 10 is a number fixated on to judge utmost in what appeals to people...that is the simple reason you have a voting system that ends in 10 or grading system that ends in 100..it's simplicity's sake...that is the reason 5-10..if someone has actually gone thru all the trouble to model take the pic and join here and post the pic..it deserves more consideration than a 1-4..why do people vote 1-4..I've stated one reason..another might be they are offended by nudity, men in lingerie, tv's, cross dressers, nude men or women...instead of not viewing these pics..they elect to track them down and low vote them..
Quick question..what pic would deserve even a 1-4 that shouldn't be removed by the mods..?that is a no-brainer..You've never seen it?..So HSS could be a pioneer and it may work so well that all other rating sites would copy HSS..
>>>>>The only thing starting a scale at 5 will do is keep your scores high which seems is all you want?>>>>>>>>
I have stated the reasons for why I want it...thought you weren't going to try to get personal? Why should one person have the clout with a 1 vote to overrule 3 other people with a 10?..doesn't that reek?
You seem now to only want to shame me for wanting something more fair..alluding to I must be so vain that I think I should only be voted 10's..
The problem is they have no valid reason to vote a 1...none...zip..that would be a hate vote..a discriminatory hate motivated fear vote...
Go take a look at my main pic..give me a reason it should have a 1 or 2..check the voting..it has at least two 2 votes...there is no reason for that..it has my pretty hot pink high heeled sandals..no nudity..no reason it should have less than a 5..
I've given you a solution that still has the rating system people want..it is a good solution that only has the objection that you haven't seen it before..I agree with you that rating a restaurant or store should have a 1 but a site that deals in nothing but something very personal to people should never have a weapon such as a hate vote..
Say what you want now..I am not returning to this forum..open your mind and live..have fun and permit other people to have fun without being insulted...you don't need a 1..just good mods..
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 21:38:21
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These ten extremes should its hope make up for the moron who gave you low votes. That person must not love America or women ! I love women, your shoes and you already just from your photo sharing. Later, I must leave immediately now to see your website and save all the shots there also. Of note the moderators have no access to the server or control panel. We just connect with the owner by email since this is a free site. Your humble heel lover... Stu
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 22:26:04
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There are several valid reasons why anyone would vote a 1.
I understand your case - and I am not trying to shame you for wanting something more fair. Many people do.
Quote: "Quick question..what pic would deserve even a 1-4 that shouldn't be removed by the mods..?that is a no-brainer..You've never seen it?..So HSS could be a pioneer and it may work so well that all other rating sites would copy HSS."
Many pics deserve a 1 - and different pics will deserve it for different people as it is individual taste. I have seen, and others have seen on here shots which deserve a 1 so your comment is of your personal opinion which is fine. Please dont tell me what I have and have not seen. IF I voted on most pics, I could vote a pic a 1 which others may vote a 10. If a pic deserves a one it doesnt mean it should be removed. Nor does it mean that someone should get a 5 or up just because they have posted it. (Internet pics being a prime example but now we just delete most offending accounts). But there are other genuine pics which are only a 1 to some people. Im sure people who dislike high heels would be inclined to vote me a 1 as that is all I wear - and that is their prerogative. I do not expect someone to vote me high just because I have taken the time to do it and post it. If I chose to leave my voting on and post on this site I would have to accept that not all are going to like my pictures and some people will vote my pics a 1 regardless of what I do or say
Quote: "but a site that deals in nothing but something very personal to people should never have a weapon such as a hate vote.."
I have to dissagree. Whether it is something personal to us or not, whether it has taken effort to do or not - if you want something to be voted on then I do not understand why anyone would only want half a scale so they could only be voted good? It defeats the object of rating something.
Sure HSS could be a pioneer in this. However I do not know about Shoejack (hopefully he can post an opinion) but if it was my site I could not run a voting system on a site which only allows good voting? If that was the case I would have 2 buttons, skip and like. But alas people want to be voted on a scale and me personally, I do not see any validity in a scale with only good options on. Shoejack may do in which case he will do this for you no problem, but I think it defeats its own purpose (im sure governments would love their public to only say good to excellent things about them :).
Which is what my post was about. It is not an attack on you, or denial of the persistant one voters. It was simply about your suggestion of a voting scale which starts halfway through the usual spectrum at number 5 which is something never seen anywhere else and for good reason.
It is not a voting system if someone can not vote good and bad as they see fit - its is then just a popularity scale if it was 5-10. It would be pressurising people to vote good all the time which to be honest is wrong because there are plenty of pictures which are not as good. I could list many many examples of pics which could deserve a 1 or two vote with valid reason but that would spark a whole different debate - as after all it is about personal taste.
(However many bad pictures there are, thankfully there are far more which are excellent.)
I shall bow out of this one for now, as it is apparent we are not going to agree which is fine, nothing like a good debate. As usual I will ask SJ to have a read through and post his thoughts/opinions.
Regards
WAS
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when people start talkiing about percentages and mathematics and what you do for a living.... i must admit all i hear is blah blah blah... because none of it makes any difference, this is a level playing field...... bottom line is there are people abusing the voting system and something should be done... the moderators have no power to change anything, all they can do is message SJ just like me and you he owns and runs the site, he is the man!
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Sun, Nov 01, 2009 11:50:09
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and you can do better then go ahead. Im sick of it.
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Sun, Nov 01, 2009 12:06:04
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am i wrong?
have been asked before, wouldnt touch it with a barge pole..
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